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this week's episode of the skeptics own

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the podcast from Australia for science

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 108 for the 12th of

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November 2010 Richard Saunders here with

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you from hot and steamy Sydney Australia

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good news for people coming the TAM the

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weather is warm yes bring your shorts oh

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yes on this week's show oh boy here we

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go again it was mind body what time in

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Sydney every six months in every six

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months we traipse along there the meetup

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group and check it out an interesting

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report I think you'll find for this one

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I normally our practice has been to ask

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a lot of questions and get a lot of

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information this time I don't know if we

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just let our guard down or we got fed up

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but we took a slightly different tact

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and asked more questions and gave our

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opinion a little bit more strongly I

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think but it did strike us all that this

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time mods always like the case that mind

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body spirit mind body wallet is is to

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quote somebody leaving the festival a

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den of thieves it it beggars belief the

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number of outright scams that are going

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on in that place and maybe we can get

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some government agency interested in

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attending undercover next time and

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actually sussing out how many blatant

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frauds are going on at that place it

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really is something anyway our reports

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coming up very soon following that we

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have the think tank with lots of people

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this time Maynard and a run and dr.

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Rachel Jason James we're going to be

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discussing many issues including the

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qlink story that was on media watch and

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if you listen to last week's episode you

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might know a little bit about that and

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what we'll also be talking about on the

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think tank it's something you might want

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to check out now and before and after

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and all the time is a great little study

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about power balance that's been reported

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on HTTP colon slash slash opinion

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change wordpress com which is the the

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blog of Nicola J Martin so check it out

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it's a little study quoting lots of

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sources about the effectiveness or not

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of power balance well done Nikki well

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done indeed thank you to all those

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people sending in donations and

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subscribing much appreciated and all

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those people writing to me for various

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reasons I'm getting to your emails as

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soon as I possibly can very busy times

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right now of course getting ready for

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Tam Australia so a lot of my x taken up

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but I do appreciate all your emails with

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your interesting comments and thank you

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to all the people who are now listening

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to us because you heard the doctor rachy

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interview with geo last week glad to

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have you on board I think that's enough

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from me I'm going to grab a nice cold

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let me have a think now this week

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because it's hot and steamy here in

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sydney i'm looking for a drink that

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cools you down and sort of hits the spot

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as refreshing ah i'm going to have a

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nice glass of water and i'll let you

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well it's mind-body wallet time once

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again every six months it comes up it

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turns up again like a bad penny I'm on

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the steps outside the exhibition center

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here in darling harbour in Sydney I'm

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with a bastard sheep hello shipping good

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eight today and we're both wearing out

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multiple placebo bands yeah I've already

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had a couple of people questions about

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them except it actually it's been our

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lucky day because we've scored some free

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tickets to this thing today yeah just

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waiting hang around earliest saw Shane

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who spoke at Los capstan Holly gave me

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one and then a few minutes ago we just

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had another person combined give us a

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couple more yes as a guy remember from

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the TV show the one who was a one of the

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partners of one of the contestants came

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by and said oh hello and happen to have

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some free tickets so that's pretty good

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that's a good start we're just waiting

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for all the other people to show up it's

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constant stream of people walking up and

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down the steps here you're going in and

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out of the mind-body wallet looks quite

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crowded in there but that's a usually is

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on a sunday yeah it's amazing just the

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different diversity of people that are

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here the long-term you wouldn't really

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expect as people with tie-dyed t-shirts

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on Pacifica leave looking people there's

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yeah that's a bit weird listeners and

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just every single group of people you

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can think of

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and quite colorful too they are

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streaming in and out some of them are in

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costume I'm in a purple it hurts a lot

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of purple here today folks are going to

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tell you well yes we're just waiting for

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the rest of the meetup group to arrive

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and then we'll be once again venturing

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into the great unknown great depths of

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blackness that is mind-body wallet main

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Arden dr. Reggie welcome to mind/body

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wallet now dr. eat you I'm gonna change

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of mind body water no I'm not but me

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know it is I've never been here before

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and it's just like a boat show or sex

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boat it's selling something completely

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that I'm not sure on buying there's no

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sex yes those then there could be they

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weren't there might be yeah there might

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be we're right near the cheap Chinese

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healing college she acted pressure it

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says I just had a heat thing on my

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shoulder it was really nice the guy's a

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guy with a Scientology t-shirt see that

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yeah okay it must be said to the people

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that are getting the massage is near us

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all look fairly relax it look like it's

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working it looks like good to me I mean

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if you're basing the evidence i'm just

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looking at them they're all it seems to

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be working all comatose to the funny

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thing is when you get a massage you tend

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to feel relaxed to maynard that's the

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way it works and out of the point you

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know there's a direct inversion here on

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what you would find at a skeptics

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meeting in that there's lots of women

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species does seem to be a bit more

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credulous than the males I don't know

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beautiful

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reminds me marley they don't exit

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so mean I time I shouldn't be so

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surprised but here we are at church of

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scientology well they're here um you

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know and look a lot of people with a lot

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of happy faces you can't deny that

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Richard well I'm a I've got a happy face

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because the young lady flogging

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Scientology is very attracted by myself

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well we'll look everyone flogging things

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are very attractive it's like any boat

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show like I said like any Expo anything

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but I've got to say the girls were

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hotter at the Motor Show another week

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yes I think very differently i went to

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the motor show to there were some

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amazing models their hero honda ya at

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your home most people that they know

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what where who to go do to get to get

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the people to get their attention oh you

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talking about the cars but but look at

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there are a lot of people here just

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showing a lot of interest in everything

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yeah and you know despite know the

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actual fact of the matter everybody

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fun well Rachel had a good experience

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she was talking to someone from a store

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selling bamboo products that do things

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like take radiation away from the laptop

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go figure and she managed to inform the

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guy that foot patches are a con and she

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got a big win out of that so maybe this

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time next year you won't be selling

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bamboo patches yeah I don't push it may

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touch oh well it's a one thing that

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everyone seems to be the most interested

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in here oh maybe the room of psychics I

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don't know look I've never seen so many

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psychics in one place yeah I think 60 in

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one room it's a lot and it was so busy

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you had you had to make a booking in

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advance yeah what I got in there and

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said I want my chakra read or something

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by one of the psychics which I think

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they could probably do they could

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probably do it they said sorry mate

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you'll have to wait go to stand in line

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for the booking so there's certainly

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popular and Rachel's just joined us now

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may not I think I you're just telling us

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about something else that's happened to

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you just now we're just discussing the

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foot patches oh right and now you come

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across a magic berry juice I look it's

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this acai berry stuff and I mean I've

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heard about it before it's you know the

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the latest newest antioxidant bear

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super food yeah and I don't doubt that

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it is i mean it's full of antioxidants

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and stuff like that probably okay for

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you what the hell out whether it has any

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effect on audis yeah it's you know it's

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debatable but the guy just told me that

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it can help with cancer Oh bing-bong

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fail awful the saying it can help with

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cancer is not the same as saying you can

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cure cancer no but he said God you know

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he said that you shouldn't take

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pharmaceutical drugs you should take

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east and and I said what about if I have

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cancer and he said yeah you should take

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this because pharmaceutical drugs don't

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work so he didn't directly say it cures

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cancer but he strongly implied that this

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would be of benefit in cancer very

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scooting on pretty thin ice very thin

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ice and then he went off as I started

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asking more questions and getting more

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and more annoyed with him he went off on

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the whole the cancer industry vml no no

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no not was specifically the cancer

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industry government which is the one

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about the FDA spent 24 billion dollars

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of cancer research and we still haven't

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cured it so the pharmaceutical companies

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are just doing it for the money right

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this is a Mike Adams thing ok and then

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ya told me that there's a cancer

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epidemic in America at the moment and I

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said well that's like where did

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you pull you I actually said you pulled

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that out of your ass ashley said and he

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was saying yes and then he said but what

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about you know pharmaceuticals have only

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been around for like the last so in so

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many years what happened to all the

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stuff we did before that and I was like

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pharmaceutical companies are harnessed

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it used it and sell it like all that

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yeah yeah I think we should call you dr.

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cranky well well I got the shield quiz I

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got the shilla what did you hear a chill

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me cuz if by this time about three of

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them were around me I'm trying to damage

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control and backpedal and this woman

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said you have a background in

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pharmaceuticals no i don't but i know

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people who have cancer and you should

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not be inferring that this stuff helps

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with cancer and the guy and then the guy

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used the alkaline water school and

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cancer only grows in an acidic

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environment so you need and that's how

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it starts most of you that's not true

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it's the fault in the DNA that's how it

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starts no no but what happens before

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that you know it's like the whole thing

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about the Big Bang year but what was

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there before the Big Bang I mean what

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were they always they get you every time

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no one is fine it yeah and um anyway so

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I said look I then he kept saying oh

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this is super food that's wonderful i

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said yeah i'm sure it is but you being

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irresponsible by inferring that this

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helps with cancer you should not be

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doing that is illegal in New South Wales

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to do that and if you want to do some

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research because I asked him if he was a

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doctor and he said no but I've

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researched this for four years yeah and

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I said well if you want to do some

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research look up the code of conduct for

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the healthcare Complaints Commission

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section 17 and see that it is illegal to

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make these claims in New South Wales and

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as I walked up he was still yelling at

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me well done dr. Richie okay on to the

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next one well we're out we've made it

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out the door me note I think your

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chakras a shot but yours your auras are

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washed out to a sort of a fading brain

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look I'm not gonna sound too negative

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about that but I really hated that I

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really would like to sit I think the

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fact that there was not a lot of humor

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about what was going on in there that's

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the problem i had like at a boat show

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people can make jokes about boating it's

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expert people can have fun because it's

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all about sexuality and you can joke

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around a little bit with that but

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everyone was so deadly serious what they

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were doing and and some of it was

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obviously quite nonsensical and at the

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best people having fun at the worst

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people are being scammed and yeah it'll

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that very comfortable that's it people

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are being scammed and we got told to

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move along quickly from quite a number

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stands to start by asking questions oh

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yeah but you went up to the nice people

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that just wanted you to feel good about

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something and you went to am I mean

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really I mean I mean you can see why you

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skeptics get a bad name because you go

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round pouring cold water everybody ought

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to everybody I can see I mean it was the

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compassion stand for goodness sake you

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get the compassion stand a hard time I

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did I wasn't very compassionate

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impatiens can I must admit look I look I

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think I have to go I've just been

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exhausted i've had them I don't know

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which chakra has been stolen from me if

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I suspect it's the fourth one yes I

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expect you're right may not but the rest

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of us it's that great Old Post mind-body

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wallet tradition of heading for

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Chinatown which is about four or five

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hundred meters down to our right and

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enjoying a good Chinese dinner tom of

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course after our traditional Chinese

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meal we're completely and at least start

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Rachel you I can't others speak I think

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that made too much snow ma we had to I

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mean it's mine body wall just just makes

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us 101 commiserate in a nice chinese

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restaurant but no i must admit this time

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I don't think I let my I wouldn't say a

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bit angry bird I'm not really but I just

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a little bit fed up this time I must say

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I mean when you see people handing over

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vast sums of money to what you know is a

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scam I mean it really gets to you yeah I

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mean I really got stuck into the occur

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see Barry people because you know the

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guy claimed that he wasn't saying he

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could cure cancer but he strongly

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implied that his products help with that

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and that's just inappropriate and the

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thing is the thing that really annoyed

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annoys me is that you know there were

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some people there that clearly knew that

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we knew they were scamming PS yeah and

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it recognized us from previous mind-body

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wallets and basically just sort of just

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a long I was saying you know move along

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move along and yeah don't listen to them

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get out of here yeah there was one

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there's one old scam at mind-body wallet

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which I won't name for legal reasons I

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don't want to get sued but it's one of

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these people who do the applied

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kinesiology test with the arm and

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everything and the guys virtually said

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to us it's a good trick go away well you

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said to him it's a trick and he said

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yeah you said to him it's a trick and he

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said well it sells my product and and I

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said to him well that's just dishonest

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yeah and he was sort of going thank you

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goodbye goodbye goodbye so you know he

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he knows that we know he's scamming

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people and by saying yeah you know I

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know it's a trick but it sells my

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product or what else can you conclude

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from that statement you know and it's

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still amazing to me that there of course

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there are but there are people out there

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who whose job it is is to scam and con

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people out of their money that's what

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they do that's what they wake up in the

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morning and they go out and they do that

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yeah well the guy that was talking about

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the Chi berry acai berry or whatever he

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was to learn and he really believes what

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he was saying but the guy who you're

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referring to he he didn't he knew that

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hela scamming people he knew it well I

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gave the skeptics $100,000 information

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prize informations quite a few people I

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wonder if anyone will get back to us no

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doubt it no doubt it the other the other

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thing that we were also moved on from

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the astrology stand because oh yeah they

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had astrologer heard that we were

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scientists and didn't believe in

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astrology and just a tall wall okay bye

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have a nice day I said get out yeah get

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out didn't want to talk to us at all you

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know

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ah we both quite exhausted we're both

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full yeah I'm above sitting on the bus

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heading home so until next time had mine

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but i don't i don't reckon i'm going to

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go again Richard place not for a year it

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might be difficult for me to go seek my

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mama size tee off Hunter guy Hebrew oh

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he / I see you reminding my new clear

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plus Superman no not that's right from

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skeptic bros calm the all nuclear

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placebo man oh I didn't even ask here is

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awesome you have to try it I feel so

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light so free almost invisible wait what

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are you doing hmm see the floating hat

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whoo don't freak out it's just me and my

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nuclear placebo man get one from skeptic

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Bruce calm please put your clothes back

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on before you get arrested join us now

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for drinking skeptically in the think

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tank Jason

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that's whether that's me or a makeup of

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the internet mostly cats but also

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detectives on the internets and we love

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the Internet's folks because that's why

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you're listening to us right now here we

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are back in our favorite club down the

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street which while we're sitting here

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eating our dinner it's half empty doubt

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dr. Aichi hi Richard I mean this was

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full when we entered here I know let's

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talk about skepticism he'll talk about

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skepticism with James allow James g'day

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everyone and may not enjoying your soup

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I'm having a great time here and I've

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got some large intellectual issues to

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discuss line and Jay he's eating

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broccoli with his hand he is and hero

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drinking out of the bowl just to

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demonstrate how intellectual the

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endeavor is the hang of chopsticks some

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of his greatest intellectuals of even

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out the bowl if the cat kit if a cat can

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use a flush toilet I can drink out of

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the ball that's what he's doing and hero

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of the week it's jase are too kind I'll

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be signing autographs later I will get

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to that a bit later on and it runs

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together hello Ron Harris hood what a

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fantastic week it's been in skepticism

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we've got a few stories to cover well

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let's kick off actually i'm jason with

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your notable success now listeners will

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remember on the last episode of the

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skeptic zone we talked spoke with jason

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about killing yes and things have

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happened how many things have happened

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oh yes quite a lot shall we start from

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monday let's start from monday monday

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was quite a good day i what it's rather

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surprisingly well not entirely

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surprisingly to some but rather

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surprisingly ABC's Media Watch program

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Australian listeners will probably know

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about that international listeners will

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probably explained media watches are

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sort of media watchdog program and the

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reports on the sins of the media the

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qlink story featured on that on Monday

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and I had a rather nice quote from my

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blog they did that what I'll do now is

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all it only lasts for a few minutes so

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I'll play that story right

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but for simply the best example of

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product promotion get a load of this

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from last week's daily telly mobile

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radiation shield released by Steven

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fennec technology writer yes this new

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magic shield is smaller than a five-cent

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piece but stick it on your mobile phone

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and wave goodbye to stress sickness and

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disease sounds too good to be true

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surely not so Steven what's the secret

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of this high-tech defense patented

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sympathetic resonance technology come

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again patented sympathetic resonance

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technology wow sounds fantastic tell me

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more the two linked many priced at

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forty-eight dollars is programmed with

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naturally occurring frequencies which

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resonate with our body's energy system

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just like a piano string would resonate

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with a tuning fork amazing and don't

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doubt it's true according to kulick

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australia's john gear on whose quotes

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provide almost half Steven Phoenix

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shameless editorial the magic mini

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shield is based on technology which has

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been scientifically proven and tested

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for the past 20 years we'll come to that

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in a moment but could it actually work

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well no according to Professor Vitas

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Anderson at Swinburne University's brain

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sciences institute a little but and

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cannot shield or neutralize the

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electromagnetic fields emitted by a

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mobile phone and here's the rub if it

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could your mobile phone would stop

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working because it relies on the RF

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transmissions to make the radio link

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with the mobile base station so much for

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miraculous mini shields as the website

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my colleagues are idiots nikli sums it

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up you can't smell the already

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then your nose is broken so why is

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technology writer Steven fennec who

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should know better persuaded by this

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obvious quackery and why does his

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brother Mario from Channel Nine's Sidney

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Footy Show promote cooling on the

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company's website been great I've always

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a pretty sort of 10 sort of guy and I

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must admit that since I've out the

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killing gone I feel a little bit more

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relaxed and a lot of easier on the kids

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and probably not

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not not as jumpy and my golf my golf has

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been sensational now we at media watched

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naturally suspected the worst that

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Steven was using his Telegraph column to

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give brother Mario a helping hand Steven

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00:22:49,969 --> 00:22:46,950
started enthusing about qlink back in

540
00:22:53,180 --> 00:22:49,979
2004 with his first breathless puffs and

541
00:22:55,369 --> 00:22:53,190
then again in 2005 which was around the

542
00:22:57,769 --> 00:22:55,379
time that Mario started promoting his

543
00:23:01,369 --> 00:22:57,779
thirteen hundred dollar gold plated

544
00:23:03,589 --> 00:23:01,379
qlink pendant hi and welcome to our

545
00:23:05,539 --> 00:23:03,599
website over the years I work with

546
00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:05,549
hundreds of different businesses I've

547
00:23:11,089 --> 00:23:07,769
helped them build brand awareness and

548
00:23:14,060 --> 00:23:11,099
increase their sales through TV radio

549
00:23:17,479 --> 00:23:14,070
and print media campaigns and I can do

550
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:17,489
the same for you and indeed he's done

551
00:23:22,430 --> 00:23:19,679
that for cooling who tell visitors to

552
00:23:24,709 --> 00:23:22,440
phoenix website since mario has been

553
00:23:26,539 --> 00:23:24,719
promoting a range of cooling products we

554
00:23:29,239 --> 00:23:26,549
have seen a measurable increase in sales

555
00:23:31,009 --> 00:23:29,249
across all demographics but you know

556
00:23:33,549 --> 00:23:31,019
sometimes there's an innocent

557
00:23:36,169 --> 00:23:33,559
explanation and this is one such time

558
00:23:38,629 --> 00:23:36,179
Mario's manager says he does not get

559
00:23:40,879 --> 00:23:38,639
paid for promoting cooling and it seems

560
00:23:44,209 --> 00:23:40,889
he and Stephen rave about the product

561
00:23:47,659 --> 00:23:44,219
just because they believe it works so no

562
00:23:49,849 --> 00:23:47,669
impropriety just credulity now it has to

563
00:23:51,829 --> 00:23:49,859
be said many professional golfers swear

564
00:23:53,779 --> 00:23:51,839
by their cue links but the highly

565
00:23:56,989 --> 00:23:53,789
regarded microwave news in the United

566
00:23:59,599 --> 00:23:56,999
States is not so easily persuaded scams

567
00:24:01,489 --> 00:23:59,609
galore the gizmos promising protection

568
00:24:03,829 --> 00:24:01,499
against electromagnetic fields include

569
00:24:06,019 --> 00:24:03,839
bracelets pendants and headbands two of

570
00:24:07,339 --> 00:24:06,029
the best known a bio Pro and cooling

571
00:24:09,549 --> 00:24:07,349
which are really no different from all

572
00:24:11,899 --> 00:24:09,559
the others that's to say they don't work

573
00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:11,909
cooling claims that research by the

574
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:13,950
University of Wollongong scientifically

575
00:24:18,349 --> 00:24:16,679
proves its devices are effective the

576
00:24:21,079 --> 00:24:18,359
study it refers to conducted by

577
00:24:23,209 --> 00:24:21,089
Professor Rodney Croft was funded by Q

578
00:24:25,219 --> 00:24:23,219
links manufacturer claris products

579
00:24:27,139 --> 00:24:25,229
international it was described four

580
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:27,149
years ago by the respected UK website

581
00:24:33,739 --> 00:24:30,690
power watch as small and ill scienced

582
00:24:35,959 --> 00:24:33,749
virtually worthless and even the study's

583
00:24:38,060 --> 00:24:35,969
author professor Rodney Croft dismisses

584
00:24:40,249 --> 00:24:38,070
its value at least in supporting the

585
00:24:41,930 --> 00:24:40,259
claims made by kulick telling media

586
00:24:43,700 --> 00:24:41,940
watched last week

587
00:24:46,639 --> 00:24:43,710
I do not believe that the inconclusive

588
00:24:48,139 --> 00:24:46,649
nature of my study provides any evidence

589
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:48,149
that the product does what it claims

590
00:24:54,470 --> 00:24:51,570
none of this but none of this was in

591
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:54,480
Steven Phoenix article and Steven it

592
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,850
should have been it's not yours or the

593
00:25:00,889 --> 00:24:59,039
Telly's job to flog this stuff it's to

594
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:00,899
strive for the truth a strange

595
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:03,120
old-fashioned concept i know but one

596
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:05,730
that still has some value well well done

597
00:25:19,009 --> 00:25:16,799
Jason now they mention your blog so as

598
00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:19,019
that resulted in increased traffic it

599
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:22,289
has well over a thousand hits which is

600
00:25:27,289 --> 00:25:24,570
about ten times what I normally get on a

601
00:25:30,769 --> 00:25:27,299
story on my blog it's also been linked

602
00:25:32,419 --> 00:25:30,779
to by crikey by various other news

603
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:32,429
outlets is this being numb it's been

604
00:25:36,889 --> 00:25:35,370
quite cool really if it's really nice

605
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:36,899
that all those people checking out your

606
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:39,120
blog I checking out the Q link and that

607
00:25:44,180 --> 00:25:41,580
qlink was basically called a car Nona

608
00:25:49,009 --> 00:25:44,190
scam on national television truthful

609
00:25:50,509 --> 00:25:49,019
media is quite awesome so if anybody

610
00:25:57,620 --> 00:25:50,519
wants to check that out anyway I'm go to

611
00:26:01,170 --> 00:25:59,970
that's Canterbury country tonight the

612
00:26:03,060 --> 00:26:01,180
shows for free we should all run

613
00:26:04,140 --> 00:26:03,070
upstairs and watch it awesome out so

614
00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:04,150
yeah if anyone wants to check out the

615
00:26:10,290 --> 00:26:06,100
show or the segment at least is on my

616
00:26:11,700 --> 00:26:10,300
blog at www legs are idiots calm and

617
00:26:13,170 --> 00:26:11,710
there's a few stories on there about the

618
00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:13,180
the whole flat it's been it's been a

619
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:14,560
laugh but I've been blogging like crazy

620
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:16,810
so congratulations once again that's

621
00:26:21,390 --> 00:26:19,210
fantastic didn't you have some news

622
00:26:23,450 --> 00:26:21,400
Jason I heard a rumor last week that

623
00:26:25,650 --> 00:26:23,460
Steven fennec had actually been

624
00:26:27,780 --> 00:26:25,660
suspended have you heard anything more

625
00:26:30,150 --> 00:26:27,790
about that I've talked someone who

626
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:30,160
wishes to remain anonymous but I can say

627
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:32,770
this person's quite close to the

628
00:26:37,470 --> 00:26:35,820
business for which fennec works and she

629
00:26:42,030 --> 00:26:37,480
understands that he's on suspension

630
00:26:43,950 --> 00:26:42,040
right now mm-hmm that was really for

631
00:26:45,330 --> 00:26:43,960
people he didn't hear last week that was

632
00:26:50,570 --> 00:26:45,340
really for the fact that he didn't

633
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:50,580
disclose that his brother is a sponsored

634
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:53,050
preacher I guess for the product right

635
00:26:57,210 --> 00:26:55,150
yeah and it's a breach of I think

636
00:26:58,620 --> 00:26:57,220
section four of the code of conduct for

637
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,630
journalists in Australia I might be

638
00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:00,000
wrong on that in might be section five

639
00:27:03,930 --> 00:27:01,990
but basically you're going to disclose

640
00:27:06,750 --> 00:27:03,940
all cognitive interested that kind why

641
00:27:08,580 --> 00:27:06,760
would why would he be banned by that is

642
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:08,590
he a journalist he's apparently his

643
00:27:15,270 --> 00:27:12,760
journal media accommodate technologies

644
00:27:17,100 --> 00:27:15,280
the work knology correspondent yeah but

645
00:27:18,690 --> 00:27:17,110
if you did on Media Watch they didn't

646
00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:18,700
actually goes but they actually said

647
00:27:22,620 --> 00:27:20,740
that he wasn't benefiting from it

648
00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:22,630
directly financially that they they said

649
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:23,860
they did say that which I thought was

650
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:25,840
interesting and also they both claims

651
00:27:30,780 --> 00:27:29,200
yes I mean I commented on my blog rather

652
00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:30,790
cynically that they probably haven't

653
00:27:35,670 --> 00:27:32,620
been paid yet and now they're not going

654
00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:35,680
to get paid but yeah who knows only

655
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:37,540
that's between them and cooling and I

656
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:39,850
can't comment for the other the other

657
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:42,010
interesting thing was the guy who was on

658
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:45,970
The Today Show who was also Charlie

659
00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:49,120
Brown who was also had some questions

660
00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:51,940
posed to him on Twitter and downs II who

661
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:54,280
also wrote an article for crikey at down

662
00:27:59,700 --> 00:27:57,850
z he asked Charlie Brown some questions

663
00:28:02,280 --> 00:27:59,710
on Twitter and he wrote a very short

664
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:02,290
blog in response to that which I think

665
00:28:06,390 --> 00:28:03,580
downs his response to that was

666
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:06,400
ridiculous and hopeless or something

667
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:08,090
because his

668
00:28:15,820 --> 00:28:10,970
his comments about killing were pretty

669
00:28:18,970 --> 00:28:15,830
credulous he basically said that it was

670
00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:18,980
he thought it could work but the jury's

671
00:28:22,210 --> 00:28:20,870
out or something like that but after

672
00:28:27,220 --> 00:28:22,220
saying there's all this science to back

673
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:27,230
it up yeah I know yeah yeah he spent

674
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,730
about two minutes doing the sales pitch

675
00:28:34,090 --> 00:28:31,039
thing and then at the very end was asked

676
00:28:37,570 --> 00:28:34,100
ah what do you think of it have you

677
00:28:39,070 --> 00:28:37,580
tried it and the question but the jury's

678
00:28:40,769 --> 00:28:39,080
out isn't it and he turned that question

679
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:40,779
around said yeah the jury is out on

680
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:44,090
something else and then said I'm

681
00:28:48,940 --> 00:28:46,370
skeptical I'd have to try it which to me

682
00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:48,950
wasn't really skepticism that was just

683
00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:51,140
sort of journalistic asked not when the

684
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:53,630
preceding two minutes was crazy what

685
00:28:57,700 --> 00:28:56,090
sales fishing yet at least Charlie's

686
00:28:59,409 --> 00:28:57,710
been good enough to actually talk about

687
00:29:01,029 --> 00:28:59,419
it on his blog and kind of apologizing

688
00:29:03,070 --> 00:29:01,039
and publish some critical comments

689
00:29:06,430 --> 00:29:03,080
whereas Stephen fennec deleted all his

690
00:29:07,690 --> 00:29:06,440
tweets and kind of ran away Jason that's

691
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,700
what's so funny about it is that he

692
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:09,200
deleted his tweets I mean seriously

693
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:11,330
these days I mean this happened this

694
00:29:16,269 --> 00:29:14,480
morning I think it was a Tory MP tweeted

695
00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:16,279
something about a Muslim should get

696
00:29:20,289 --> 00:29:18,200
stoned to death for I think adultery or

697
00:29:23,019 --> 00:29:20,299
something and then deleted the tweet

698
00:29:24,580 --> 00:29:23,029
that people seriously that stupid these

699
00:29:28,230 --> 00:29:24,590
days that they don't know there's this

700
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:28,240
thing called screencaps onto internets

701
00:29:34,990 --> 00:29:30,890
as well everything gets happy in some

702
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:35,000
ways like yes yes I think I did that

703
00:29:38,889 --> 00:29:37,130
something that concerns me about this

704
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:38,899
whole Stephen fennec thing is that the

705
00:29:45,180 --> 00:29:40,970
article is now gone except in some

706
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:45,190
screen captures but the article itself

707
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:47,570
is it is a problem you know that the

708
00:29:53,649 --> 00:29:51,200
fact that national newspaper cannot can

709
00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:53,659
put something like this up and not see

710
00:29:57,730 --> 00:29:54,950
that there's a problem it's quite

711
00:30:00,100 --> 00:29:57,740
clearly a press release yeah with very

712
00:30:02,799 --> 00:30:00,110
very little if any editing there's no it

713
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:02,809
is full of mumbo jumbo yeah and this

714
00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:04,730
coming from the technology correspondent

715
00:30:10,269 --> 00:30:07,520
I also correspond about technology very

716
00:30:11,980 --> 00:30:10,279
often I do not say this kind of

717
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:11,990
acknowledged in science stories are they

718
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:13,730
just press releases that are a written

719
00:30:16,989 --> 00:30:16,250
but not sometimes not even reaction

720
00:30:19,569 --> 00:30:16,999
obvious

721
00:30:21,189 --> 00:30:19,579
sales pitch so the fact that he the fact

722
00:30:23,259 --> 00:30:21,199
that he wasn't suspended for with

723
00:30:25,299 --> 00:30:23,269
drawing a salary and not being worth it

724
00:30:27,009 --> 00:30:25,309
is something that bothers me about this

725
00:30:30,309 --> 00:30:27,019
newspaper but then again it is the tele

726
00:30:32,169 --> 00:30:30,319
sir in contact with the editor of Daily

727
00:30:33,459 --> 00:30:32,179
Telegraph we exchanged a couple of

728
00:30:35,289 --> 00:30:33,469
emails and I'm after an official

729
00:30:37,419 --> 00:30:35,299
statement from him he hasn't got back to

730
00:30:38,859 --> 00:30:37,429
me with an official statement yet so as

731
00:30:41,349 --> 00:30:38,869
soon as that comes out it'll be on the

732
00:30:42,909 --> 00:30:41,359
blog if it comes out at all but yeah

733
00:30:43,959 --> 00:30:42,919
we're going to talk about this kind of

734
00:30:47,109 --> 00:30:43,969
thing do you made an official statement

735
00:30:48,639 --> 00:30:47,119
about student Phoenix Phoenix suspension

736
00:30:50,679 --> 00:30:48,649
and the reason it slipped through the

737
00:30:52,569 --> 00:30:50,689
editorial Matt the journalistic

738
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,579
standards of the tele basically okay

739
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:54,799
however I mean all right we're sort of

740
00:30:58,749 --> 00:30:56,569
bagging the telly at the moment but it

741
00:31:02,589 --> 00:30:58,759
was the telly who just a few days

742
00:31:04,509 --> 00:31:02,599
afterwards or a few days before am I

743
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:04,519
getting my dates mixed gathers few days

744
00:31:10,449 --> 00:31:07,849
off not the chunky and the sunday agenda

745
00:31:15,879 --> 00:31:10,459
was all about the Australian vaccination

746
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:15,889
dr. H oh yeah yeah it was um to a two

747
00:31:22,179 --> 00:31:17,929
page story double page spread with a

748
00:31:26,499 --> 00:31:22,189
preceding story as well about how the

749
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,509
anti-vaccination lobby are are putting

750
00:31:29,709 --> 00:31:28,399
our children at risk now I'll just read

751
00:31:31,179 --> 00:31:29,719
the opening sentence this is by

752
00:31:34,899 --> 00:31:31,189
journalists by the name of Jane Hansen

753
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:34,909
isn't it that's the same Jane Henson I'm

754
00:31:39,069 --> 00:31:36,529
thinking about her I went to school of

755
00:31:41,229 --> 00:31:39,079
Jane Hansen yeah Jane has you've got

756
00:31:43,059 --> 00:31:41,239
some story she was in my brother's year

757
00:31:44,829 --> 00:31:43,069
but I I remember Jania is she the same

758
00:31:47,949 --> 00:31:44,839
person I expect so journalists you

759
00:31:50,369 --> 00:31:47,959
really probably welcome one person

760
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:50,379
cooked a medicine well I don't know

761
00:31:55,629 --> 00:31:53,569
anyway she she opens the the story with

762
00:31:57,069 --> 00:31:55,639
them the anti-vaccination lobby believed

763
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:57,079
they are fighting for personal freedom

764
00:32:00,189 --> 00:31:58,549
but as Jane Hansen reports they are

765
00:32:03,189 --> 00:32:00,199
selfishly putting your children at risk

766
00:32:05,109 --> 00:32:03,199
Wow and Tracy Spicer actually wrote an

767
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:05,119
article a bit before that Tracy Spicer

768
00:32:09,369 --> 00:32:07,369
wrote an article about two days before

769
00:32:10,929 --> 00:32:09,379
that where she basically called out the

770
00:32:13,089 --> 00:32:10,939
Australian vaccination network in

771
00:32:16,959 --> 00:32:13,099
particular for being so mean to tell me

772
00:32:21,129 --> 00:32:16,969
all the hill no i think it was in the

773
00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:21,139
tele as well and yeah i mean this this

774
00:32:24,460 --> 00:32:23,059
story here that the jane hansen one that

775
00:32:28,460 --> 00:32:24,470
appeared on the sunday

776
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:28,470
gave big exposure to the McCaffrey's but

777
00:32:32,650 --> 00:32:30,450
also was focusing on the fact that we do

778
00:32:34,610 --> 00:32:32,660
have a whooping cough epidemic yeah and

779
00:32:36,260 --> 00:32:34,620
alerting parents to the fact that they

780
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:36,270
need to get probably get boosters and

781
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:37,530
they should go and talk to their doctors

782
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:39,600
about that speaking of which for carers

783
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,690
it is free now again it wasn't free for

784
00:32:46,580 --> 00:32:44,580
a period but now it is in most states

785
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:46,590
that's really cool that's good it's

786
00:32:52,940 --> 00:32:49,080
about bloody time seriously I mean come

787
00:32:55,490 --> 00:32:52,950
on it's been what almost two years over

788
00:32:57,980 --> 00:32:55,500
18 months since Dana passed away and

789
00:33:00,170 --> 00:32:57,990
since the government should have done

790
00:33:02,810 --> 00:33:00,180
something about this yes yeah once again

791
00:33:04,940 --> 00:33:02,820
this is an example of the public having

792
00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:04,950
to do something about our job yeah

793
00:33:09,020 --> 00:33:06,750
during the government job yeah however

794
00:33:11,150 --> 00:33:09,030
it regardless of that I mean it was a

795
00:33:13,490 --> 00:33:11,160
really great article by Jane and yes

796
00:33:15,530 --> 00:33:13,500
congratulations yeah and very very well

797
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:15,540
researched shared a timeline I don't

798
00:33:20,540 --> 00:33:17,940
know if it's there but she kind of the

799
00:33:23,090 --> 00:33:20,550
sort of series of events leading up to

800
00:33:25,940 --> 00:33:23,100
be including the the ABN H Triple C

801
00:33:28,730 --> 00:33:25,950
public warning including the ABN losing

802
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:28,740
the charity license which as a side note

803
00:33:35,090 --> 00:33:31,770
they have appealed that and there is a

804
00:33:37,370 --> 00:33:35,100
hearing on December the 10th right where

805
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:37,380
I'm not exactly sure how that's going to

806
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:39,690
play out i don't know if that's open to

807
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:42,960
the public or not because if it isn't

808
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:46,410
keeping the day off well if Meryl dories

809
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:47,910
intention was to get her name in the

810
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:51,090
paper she's done that in spades yeah she

811
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:53,010
has but uh I don't think she's very

812
00:33:56,420 --> 00:33:54,690
happy about that really good but

813
00:33:57,620 --> 00:33:56,430
actually I don't think she wishes he was

814
00:34:01,700 --> 00:33:57,630
looking for the kind of free publicity

815
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:01,710
that you skeptical community can I say

816
00:34:04,730 --> 00:34:03,450
something and this is public now we

817
00:34:07,790 --> 00:34:04,740
weren't allowed to say anything for very

818
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:07,800
long time but this story revealed that

819
00:34:17,319 --> 00:34:16,000
fantastic news all right we'll get on

820
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:17,329
some more stories in a moment cuz i

821
00:34:20,769 --> 00:34:19,010
don't know may nod has just got some

822
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:20,779
wonderful things for us but Media Watch

823
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:23,359
trivia oh that sounds interesting we'll

824
00:34:28,839 --> 00:34:27,200
get to that in the meantime I know yeah

825
00:34:32,859 --> 00:34:28,849
we know your only hope it's funny

826
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:32,869
speaking 111 in the meantime I've got a

827
00:34:39,099 --> 00:34:35,089
few interesting things to report about

828
00:34:42,220 --> 00:34:39,109
our girlfriends at power balance and

829
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:42,230
some of us are wearing our wonderful new

830
00:34:49,629 --> 00:34:47,750
clear Masebo bears ooh and we're friends

831
00:34:51,490 --> 00:34:49,639
Anton Mesmer thanks for the adventure of

832
00:34:54,009 --> 00:34:51,500
mesmerism he's gonna peril by once

833
00:35:00,039 --> 00:34:54,019
banging on our balance man and the lucky

834
00:35:02,259 --> 00:35:00,049
it's not his wrist either now stop stop

835
00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:02,269
playing with my sound effects app dr. a

836
00:35:11,529 --> 00:35:08,420
team now nicola j nicola j martin has

837
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:11,539
actually done a study and a series of

838
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:14,480
tests upon power balance oh yes and

839
00:35:18,819 --> 00:35:16,730
she's published us on the internet so

840
00:35:22,059 --> 00:35:18,829
the internet on to internets I suggest

841
00:35:27,099 --> 00:35:22,069
everybody is she a cat she probably is

842
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:27,109
it detective oh I I suggest everybody go

843
00:35:34,990 --> 00:35:30,130
to the website HTTP colon slash slash

844
00:35:38,769 --> 00:35:35,000
opinion change dot wordpress com and you

845
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:38,779
can read Nikki's wonderful report about

846
00:35:44,589 --> 00:35:41,750
her tests into power balance did their

847
00:35:47,859 --> 00:35:44,599
work well that's it you'll have to read

848
00:35:51,309 --> 00:35:47,869
the report to find out um when words I

849
00:35:53,769 --> 00:35:51,319
use it to hold my wallet closed that's a

850
00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:53,779
placebo vangie deal oh oh don't be why

851
00:36:02,670 --> 00:36:00,990
then I've got another email on a similar

852
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:02,680
subject or the same subject sort of I

853
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:05,170
guess he'd saved from Alyssa Goldberg

854
00:36:12,030 --> 00:36:08,890
all the way from New York I imagine

855
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:12,040
she's in New York she writes I just

856
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:14,770
finished their NYC marathon my first

857
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:16,570
marathon and wanted to extend my thanks

858
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:18,490
to your brilliant and entertaining

859
00:36:27,690 --> 00:36:25,690
podcast are good grief listening to the

860
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:27,700
skeptic zone during embassy hours of

861
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:29,950
training kept me going strong there are

862
00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:33,370
folks appreciates it now not only do I

863
00:36:37,170 --> 00:36:35,110
have a strong body but a strong mind as

864
00:36:39,510 --> 00:36:37,180
well I did want to point out that you

865
00:36:42,390 --> 00:36:39,520
are wrong about the power balance

866
00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:42,400
bracelet it did make me run faster and

867
00:36:47,550 --> 00:36:44,950
gave me more stamina when I saw that a

868
00:36:49,530 --> 00:36:47,560
fellow who was running alongside me for

869
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:49,540
several miles was wearing one I pushed a

870
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:53,490
little harder and pulled out ahead I

871
00:36:59,460 --> 00:36:55,840
wonder if that was because my energy

872
00:37:03,720 --> 00:36:59,470
field was being so harmonically isolated

873
00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:03,730
or just or just being in proximity or if

874
00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:05,800
it was simply my determination to beat

875
00:37:14,940 --> 00:37:08,670
that thanks again a psycho pack

876
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:14,950
very good brilliant well dan Elissa what

877
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:17,410
an excellent what an excellent email

878
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:19,570
that was now before I pass over the main

879
00:37:25,110 --> 00:37:22,690
add one more thing folks the petition

880
00:37:30,510 --> 00:37:25,120
against libel or for libel reform needs

881
00:37:33,150 --> 00:37:30,520
your help WWI ball reform org please

882
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:33,160
sign that online petition have you seen

883
00:37:37,260 --> 00:37:34,630
the latest from the the libel reform

884
00:37:39,510 --> 00:37:37,270
thing today is this about the boob yes

885
00:37:41,100 --> 00:37:39,520
the boob thing ok this is the thing time

886
00:37:46,250 --> 00:37:41,110
we're going to talk boobs we do come on

887
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:46,260
ah company called bro dial or rodial

888
00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:49,690
limited in the UK manufacturing cream or

889
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:51,820
a gel or something they claim that this

890
00:37:57,090 --> 00:37:54,400
cream can can raise you a cup size or

891
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:57,100
half a cup size i think this i'm a the

892
00:38:00,450 --> 00:37:58,720
daily mail's can ask the opinion of a

893
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:00,460
doctor and the doctor said it's very

894
00:38:04,140 --> 00:38:02,410
unlikely this will work as it yet doctor

895
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:04,150
would ya and now instead of producing

896
00:38:07,549 --> 00:38:05,650
some evidence that it works road i'll

897
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:07,559
have sued for libel

898
00:38:11,390 --> 00:38:09,930
so of course I've done exactly the same

899
00:38:13,579 --> 00:38:11,400
thing on my blog a few other bloggers

900
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,589
have done the same on their blog this is

901
00:38:18,469 --> 00:38:16,079
the Streisand effect goes well done and

902
00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:18,479
now it's on the skeptic zone so boobs to

903
00:38:25,130 --> 00:38:23,670
you may not be well labu I'm at one of

904
00:38:26,900 --> 00:38:25,140
the big distractions old now wouldn't

905
00:38:28,699 --> 00:38:26,910
say even so distractions I want the big

906
00:38:30,709 --> 00:38:28,709
issues of the week media wise in

907
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,719
Australia's being the the lesbian

908
00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:32,640
schoolgirl couple in Melbourne that

909
00:38:37,339 --> 00:38:35,189
wanted to go to the year 11 formal 116

910
00:38:39,439 --> 00:38:37,349
115 and the school wouldn't let them go

911
00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:39,449
as a couple and I'm completely on this

912
00:38:42,949 --> 00:38:41,369
side I think it's a I think you know or

913
00:38:45,829 --> 00:38:42,959
power to them further sticking it to the

914
00:38:47,299 --> 00:38:45,839
school but the issue that I would like

915
00:38:48,709 --> 00:38:47,309
just people to think I'm go to a mind

916
00:38:50,689 --> 00:38:48,719
game here do you think the issue would

917
00:38:54,589 --> 00:38:50,699
get as much attention if it had been to

918
00:38:56,870 --> 00:38:54,599
16 year old boys I can probably get more

919
00:38:58,249 --> 00:38:56,880
than maybe try to say more attention but

920
00:39:00,289 --> 00:38:58,259
a lot more negative attention most

921
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:00,299
likely yeah do you think you do have the

922
00:39:03,799 --> 00:39:02,130
hands of them wander around in the park

923
00:39:05,269 --> 00:39:03,809
holding hands and that's the cattle a

924
00:39:06,979 --> 00:39:05,279
shops and that sort of thing I think if

925
00:39:09,319 --> 00:39:06,989
you think I mean if there were boys that

926
00:39:10,969 --> 00:39:09,329
probably be bashed by somebody yeah yeah

927
00:39:13,009 --> 00:39:10,979
this'll mean I think it would take a

928
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:13,019
different turn and I agree with their

929
00:39:16,370 --> 00:39:14,579
own involved here I think the issues I

930
00:39:18,289 --> 00:39:16,380
think I should take it simple just

931
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:18,299
relating this point yeah I'm and that's

932
00:39:22,579 --> 00:39:20,130
what I thought if it was to 16 year old

933
00:39:24,799 --> 00:39:22,589
guys would it sure would write a mention

934
00:39:26,599 --> 00:39:24,809
but would it get the hype that you would

935
00:39:28,099 --> 00:39:26,609
be able to hood that's a cool and also

936
00:39:30,259 --> 00:39:28,109
I'm just wondering if you're the parent

937
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,269
of 15 16 year-old girl would you want

938
00:39:34,489 --> 00:39:32,579
her to be the the post person for her

939
00:39:36,380 --> 00:39:34,499
sexuality at that age well their hands

940
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:36,390
were very supportive and both both both

941
00:39:40,130 --> 00:39:38,609
girls variants yeah well good job my

942
00:39:42,499 --> 00:39:40,140
parents the father has been on Twitter

943
00:39:44,269 --> 00:39:42,509
talking bad as well they talked about as

944
00:39:45,829 --> 00:39:44,279
a family quite a bit and I decided that

945
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:45,839
yes the entire family will go forwards

946
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,249
like this so it is something that they

947
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,619
did really cover very thoroughly before

948
00:39:53,419 --> 00:39:51,599
this happens well that that's good and

949
00:39:55,099 --> 00:39:53,429
also there's mediation with the school

950
00:39:57,169 --> 00:39:55,109
that took place about two months ago and

951
00:39:59,120 --> 00:39:57,179
the parents and fam ago two months ago

952
00:40:00,949 --> 00:39:59,130
yeah I thought the story is really free

953
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,959
will hear the stories really fresh wood

954
00:40:04,339 --> 00:40:03,119
to do with the formal but the issue that

955
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:04,349
was discussed with the school and the

956
00:40:07,549 --> 00:40:06,119
parents about two months ago in and they

957
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,559
weren't happy with that in both girls up

958
00:40:10,609 --> 00:40:09,839
since changed school so I'm just

959
00:40:12,979 --> 00:40:10,619
wondering if there's other issues

960
00:40:14,839 --> 00:40:12,989
involved here again I'm supportive the

961
00:40:16,339 --> 00:40:14,849
issue at hand here and I'm you know

962
00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:16,349
again it's just it's just interesting

963
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:18,340
that there's other details have come out

964
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:19,750
completely on their on their side here

965
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:21,730
the way the parents explained it was

966
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:25,690
that the girls moved one girl moves the

967
00:40:31,230 --> 00:40:27,370
older one moon school because she felt

968
00:40:33,330 --> 00:40:31,240
that she was being almost persecuted at

969
00:40:34,740 --> 00:40:33,340
the school for that and the other girl

970
00:40:37,260 --> 00:40:34,750
moved because she wanted to be with her

971
00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:37,270
girlfriend well I just I just want to

972
00:40:40,650 --> 00:40:38,470
say something with regards to what you

973
00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:40,660
asked about the parents allowing her to

974
00:40:44,250 --> 00:40:42,820
be a poster child for this as somebody

975
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:44,260
who has a 15 year old so units very

976
00:40:51,660 --> 00:40:49,570
close they're not kids you know they

977
00:40:54,420 --> 00:40:51,670
have a mind of their own they and they

978
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:54,430
have they have their own causes they

979
00:40:57,540 --> 00:40:56,050
have their own their own things that are

980
00:41:00,540 --> 00:40:57,550
important to them and I think as a

981
00:41:02,010 --> 00:41:00,550
parent you don't have to agree you don't

982
00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:02,020
have to even think that it's the right

983
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:03,820
thing and it's your definitely your job

984
00:41:11,610 --> 00:41:06,930
to voice that opinion and explain and

985
00:41:14,100 --> 00:41:11,620
put your case forward to the child but I

986
00:41:16,410 --> 00:41:14,110
think at the age of 15 16 to suggest

987
00:41:17,580 --> 00:41:16,420
that you decide for them about what's

988
00:41:19,620 --> 00:41:17,590
important to them and whether they're

989
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:19,630
going to do something like this it's a

990
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:21,430
lost cause anyway so if they said to

991
00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:23,050
somebody like that who's strong minded

992
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:25,870
about it let's assume the object to it

993
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:27,700
okay and they said it to her she'd

994
00:41:32,070 --> 00:41:29,080
probably just go and do it anyway so I

995
00:41:34,290 --> 00:41:32,080
think much better approach is you do

996
00:41:35,850 --> 00:41:34,300
internally within the family you do your

997
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:35,860
own discussions and you decide what to

998
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:37,630
do and then you go ahead and do whatever

999
00:41:41,610 --> 00:41:39,280
the child decides you support the child

1000
00:41:43,860 --> 00:41:41,620
and whatever the recital the other

1001
00:41:45,810 --> 00:41:43,870
reason I mentioned the the age net I was

1002
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:45,820
just looking at in an earlier age when

1003
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:48,400
we perhaps were that age to to bring

1004
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:50,050
that sort of issue up there wouldn't

1005
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:51,250
have happened it wouldn't have happened

1006
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:53,920
it wouldn't have even happened because

1007
00:41:56,730 --> 00:41:55,570
you wouldn't want national press to that

1008
00:41:58,260 --> 00:41:56,740
kind of thing and I just think it's

1009
00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:58,270
interesting the way things have moved on

1010
00:42:06,360 --> 00:41:59,950
yeah but it's you know what's 15 years

1011
00:42:11,730 --> 00:42:06,370
since we were that age Rachel speak for

1012
00:42:14,010 --> 00:42:11,740
yourself and and look on oh and best

1013
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:14,020
headline of the week yes Dick Van Dyke

1014
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:18,370
saved by porpoises yeah that's right

1015
00:42:22,140 --> 00:42:20,290
that's right sure this is why we have

1016
00:42:23,970 --> 00:42:22,150
main our folks comes along with these

1017
00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:23,980
amazing stories I say it lesbian

1018
00:42:28,130 --> 00:42:25,990
schoolgirls refused from formal everyone

1019
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:28,140
goes year may not know go then dick

1020
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,290
dioxide by porpoises they go you here oh

1021
00:42:34,730 --> 00:42:32,880
well its actual headline he was swimming

1022
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,740
once and he was like not doing well

1023
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:36,720
factual purposes apparently well I don't

1024
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,190
know they had a thing for dick van dyke

1025
00:42:42,860 --> 00:42:40,800
anyway but he was swimming he wasn't

1026
00:42:47,060 --> 00:42:42,870
doing too well and the porpoises saved

1027
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,070
his life good how Kevin discipline um I

1028
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:49,680
don't know what that I think they had

1029
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,440
some sort I had a life vest on them but

1030
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:54,960
the other ones that have lasers strapped

1031
00:43:01,820 --> 00:42:59,640
to them shucks the ones that after

1032
00:43:03,350 --> 00:43:01,830
Hurricane Katrina karl Pilkington talks

1033
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:03,360
about this oh there were all these

1034
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:05,490
dolphins have got washed away black no

1035
00:43:10,580 --> 00:43:09,000
pain okay container I found in another's

1036
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:10,590
waiting for dr. Reggie stop laughing cuz

1037
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:12,450
as anyone listen to the podcast know her

1038
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:16,440
laugh cuts through like you're not there

1039
00:43:21,110 --> 00:43:17,970
people listen to other podcasts that he

1040
00:43:22,310 --> 00:43:21,120
heard in the big city oh you've got to

1041
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:22,320
get your pop culture reference right

1042
00:43:26,450 --> 00:43:24,690
because as well know dr. evil could not

1043
00:43:33,980 --> 00:43:26,460
get the Sharks he wanted and had to

1044
00:43:36,110 --> 00:43:33,990
settle for angry sea bass now now I'll

1045
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:36,120
just mention that coming up of course

1046
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:37,920
the skeptic zone are doing a live show

1047
00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:40,740
at tam Australia alive skeptic zone the

1048
00:43:44,900 --> 00:43:42,360
first time the whole crew will be

1049
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:44,910
together we never bring those green lung

1050
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:47,220
bring Nam says dr. H E and our special

1051
00:43:52,100 --> 00:43:49,830
guest on the panel will be none other

1052
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:52,110
than dr. Pamela gay was so excited to

1053
00:43:57,140 --> 00:43:55,200
have good friend dr. Pamela gay not only

1054
00:43:59,600 --> 00:43:57,150
being part of Tim Australia but being on

1055
00:44:02,810 --> 00:43:59,610
the stage with us for the skeptic zone

1056
00:44:04,460 --> 00:44:02,820
now Pamela has kindly agreed to come all

1057
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,470
the way to Australia to be part of town

1058
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:06,660
Australia because unfortunately DJ

1059
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:09,570
Grothe couldn't make it in the end due

1060
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:12,240
to other commitments all the best DJ but

1061
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,560
we are delighted to have family guy

1062
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:15,960
absolutely we must certainly are we are

1063
00:44:22,070 --> 00:44:17,790
really excited about having Pamela gay

1064
00:44:23,780 --> 00:44:22,080
come along and also very exciting for

1065
00:44:25,790 --> 00:44:23,790
those people who maybe didn't get

1066
00:44:27,950 --> 00:44:25,800
tickets to Tam Australia and those who

1067
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:27,960
did everybody is welcome to come along

1068
00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,570
to the Guinness Book World Record

1069
00:44:36,380 --> 00:44:33,420
attempt at the largest ever magic lesson

1070
00:44:38,930 --> 00:44:36,390
conducted by dr. Carl dr. Carl

1071
00:44:40,430 --> 00:44:38,940
korzeniewski and myself if you want to

1072
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:40,440
come along to that and be part of the

1073
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:41,170
the crowd

1074
00:44:45,299 --> 00:44:42,400
it's free and that's happening on the

1075
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:45,309
very first morning of town you have to

1076
00:44:49,890 --> 00:44:47,920
be at the masonic center at about

1077
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:49,900
quarter to eight eight o'clock come

1078
00:44:57,059 --> 00:44:51,609
along but you can register for that by

1079
00:45:04,140 --> 00:44:57,069
going to meetup com and then going to

1080
00:45:07,140 --> 00:45:04,150
the cam Australia is that it meetup.com

1081
00:45:09,180 --> 00:45:07,150
/ town australia meetup.com / tam

1082
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:09,190
australia or the Sydney skeptics on

1083
00:45:13,650 --> 00:45:11,380
meetup look just Google those will go to

1084
00:45:15,539 --> 00:45:13,660
meet up and look for in this world

1085
00:45:17,609 --> 00:45:15,549
record attempt with dr. Carl and Richard

1086
00:45:19,260 --> 00:45:17,619
Saunders hope to see you there it will

1087
00:45:21,180 --> 00:45:19,270
be fantastic i hope to see you there may

1088
00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:21,190
not look I'm going to be in the media

1089
00:45:24,720 --> 00:45:22,569
room and I'll be looking forward to

1090
00:45:27,150 --> 00:45:24,730
maybe talking to Randy and you know okay

1091
00:45:29,609 --> 00:45:27,160
this I because after linking onion I a

1092
00:45:30,690 --> 00:45:29,619
drinks what now leaning out with

1093
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:30,700
celebrities well I've already

1094
00:45:35,490 --> 00:45:33,520
pre-ordered bottle bottle shops within a

1095
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:35,500
mile of the area of being alerted the

1096
00:45:43,170 --> 00:45:41,170
presence of Dunning or as he's known by

1097
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:43,180
various people Hoover Hoover darling

1098
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:45,099
what will be there you'll be carrying on

1099
00:45:48,780 --> 00:45:46,930
he'll be doing some sort of skip toid

1100
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:48,790
thing and I i I'm throwing out the

1101
00:45:53,099 --> 00:45:50,079
challenge that he should do a skip tied

1102
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:53,109
on Kegel exercises he said he will not

1103
00:45:57,089 --> 00:45:55,210
he will not do it but I'm throwing out

1104
00:46:01,500 --> 00:45:57,099
that he should do a live show on Kegel

1105
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:01,510
exercises can whoop demonstrations good

1106
00:46:06,900 --> 00:46:04,690
good heavens may not good heavens now

1107
00:46:10,829 --> 00:46:06,910
and one more quick mention for me that

1108
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:10,839
our fellow skeptic zone member who will

1109
00:46:14,549 --> 00:46:13,210
be on stage with us iCarly sturgis's

1110
00:46:16,829 --> 00:46:14,559
reminded me that she's very happy

1111
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:16,839
because the Guardian have been plugging

1112
00:46:21,059 --> 00:46:19,359
a book that she's in about Australian

1113
00:46:22,740 --> 00:46:21,069
atheism for those people interested in

1114
00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:22,750
not it's right on innocent I've got a

1115
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:24,640
copy it'll give her a copy yep i'm

1116
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:25,839
trying to get so many views with some of

1117
00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:26,770
the people that are in it maybe I'll

1118
00:46:29,490 --> 00:46:28,270
even chapter call if you can actually

1119
00:46:30,809 --> 00:46:29,500
she'll be there you can have a chat to

1120
00:46:32,490 --> 00:46:30,819
hook it's not my normal kind of book

1121
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:32,500
it's thick

1122
00:46:37,110 --> 00:46:35,170
haha he is giving us a funny look

1123
00:46:38,370 --> 00:46:37,120
Christine's and I think did the forward

1124
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:38,380
for that will be speaking at the

1125
00:46:42,900 --> 00:46:40,810
skeptics open mic night Oh on the

1126
00:46:44,580 --> 00:46:42,910
twenty-fifth if you couldn't get into

1127
00:46:46,530 --> 00:46:44,590
the skeptics in the pub special edition

1128
00:46:48,030 --> 00:46:46,540
on the phone fifth then the skeptics

1129
00:46:50,430 --> 00:46:48,040
open mic night happens that night at

1130
00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:50,440
peabody hotel look up look that up on me

1131
00:46:54,990 --> 00:46:52,420
down on the meetup com / time australia

1132
00:46:57,390 --> 00:46:55,000
site and kristinsson he was in that book

1133
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:57,400
will be there doing i think the first

1134
00:47:00,120 --> 00:46:58,720
speech she sent it to me today just

1135
00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:00,130
check that oh that's exciting other

1136
00:47:03,810 --> 00:47:01,660
people who were in the book will be at

1137
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:03,820
ann warren bernie who is the editor of

1138
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:05,470
the book right right of course you will

1139
00:47:10,050 --> 00:47:08,800
be there with his shop the heat because

1140
00:47:11,820 --> 00:47:10,060
i get books are the official or

1141
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:11,830
something yes yeah and wasn't Peter

1142
00:47:17,460 --> 00:47:14,350
elephant in the book as well I'm not

1143
00:47:19,770 --> 00:47:17,470
that far the individuals I think you

1144
00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:19,780
know with no I am I I've got a better

1145
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:22,840
it's a and people can find out more by

1146
00:47:29,580 --> 00:47:25,450
going or googling our guardian atheism

1147
00:47:31,470 --> 00:47:29,590
Martin Robbins and dr. AG and could

1148
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:31,480
Carly please she reckons she's got a

1149
00:47:35,010 --> 00:47:33,910
type of me interviewing off at a blank

1150
00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:35,020
the road hitchhikers guide to the

1151
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,720
galaxy.the half out any of you i did

1152
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:40,480
with douglas adams she has it and i

1153
00:47:43,500 --> 00:47:42,160
don't think i have so Carly get that to

1154
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:43,510
me cuz I'd like to put that all up

1155
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:45,730
online and Kylie will certainly be

1156
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:47,170
available at tam Australia if any

1157
00:47:52,350 --> 00:47:48,970
podcasters out there want to have a chat

1158
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:52,360
with her now we had an interesting time

1159
00:47:55,620 --> 00:47:54,430
just recently Iran you and I on some

1160
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:55,630
other members from the Australian

1161
00:48:00,420 --> 00:47:58,090
skeptics where we actually had somebody

1162
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:00,430
apply and come up for a challenge for

1163
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:04,000
our $100,000 prize sadly get out we did

1164
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,490
he took a long time a long time why to

1165
00:48:10,380 --> 00:48:08,800
briefly describe what it was actually a

1166
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:10,390
very long process because we got a

1167
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:12,310
letter from a lawyer in january of this

1168
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:15,070
year that's never a good desire so this

1169
00:48:19,620 --> 00:48:16,690
guy was very suspicious that we were not

1170
00:48:21,630 --> 00:48:19,630
going to be acting in good faith but we

1171
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:21,640
have shown good faith we've met the guy

1172
00:48:25,170 --> 00:48:23,290
with the lawyer then eventually been

1173
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:25,180
eventually without the lawyer we put a

1174
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:28,360
protocol together whereby he sends

1175
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:30,850
information we worked out the type of

1176
00:48:38,370 --> 00:48:35,290
information its words and numbers with a

1177
00:48:40,530 --> 00:48:38,380
chance of one in a one in a million of

1178
00:48:42,420 --> 00:48:40,540
success by probability of 1 million of

1179
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:42,430
success by chance yeah he sends that

1180
00:48:47,310 --> 00:48:43,630
information you've used that information

1181
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:47,320
on a sheet of paper and then sends it to

1182
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:49,660
a collaborator in New York City from

1183
00:48:53,490 --> 00:48:51,250
Sydney to New York from Sydney to New

1184
00:48:55,140 --> 00:48:53,500
York now he doesn't use the telephone

1185
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,150
doesn't use the telephone doesn't use a

1186
00:48:58,530 --> 00:48:57,040
hit the way you described here to do if

1187
00:49:01,860 --> 00:48:58,540
you can do that over the internet now

1188
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:01,870
yeah well here he refused he refused to

1189
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:04,330
describe it as psychic what he called it

1190
00:49:09,420 --> 00:49:06,370
the ability for the idea was that he was

1191
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:09,430
bi means not known to science in case oh

1192
00:49:14,700 --> 00:49:12,970
so that was that was the idea now it was

1193
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:14,710
a lot of a lot of preparation you know

1194
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:18,250
we had we found a we got help from New

1195
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:20,460
York skeptics Lissa and Jake who

1196
00:49:26,730 --> 00:49:23,050
provided support there by finding a

1197
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:26,740
venue and by waiting for the team in New

1198
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:29,440
York the person the receiver the

1199
00:49:37,710 --> 00:49:32,680
receivers and her lawyer and we met at

1200
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:37,720
7am on a sydney morning in the city

1201
00:49:43,610 --> 00:49:39,430
nursery coordinate to meet the

1202
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:43,620
Challenger and went to an office and

1203
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:46,810
I'll took at a fairly long story short

1204
00:49:52,170 --> 00:49:49,810
the New York's I didn't show up yeah so

1205
00:49:53,370 --> 00:49:52,180
our skeptics awaiting on da corner they

1206
00:49:56,340 --> 00:49:53,380
were waiting in street corner for an

1207
00:49:57,630 --> 00:49:56,350
hour it was it's a bit cold in New York

1208
00:50:00,180 --> 00:49:57,640
this time of the year and they were

1209
00:50:06,450 --> 00:50:00,190
waiting for an hour and people just

1210
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:06,460
didn't show us I'm so film morning ok

1211
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:09,880
well the god initially they were stuck

1212
00:50:13,290 --> 00:50:11,830
in traffic and there were all kinds of

1213
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:13,300
things like that like all kinds of

1214
00:50:16,470 --> 00:50:14,950
messages coming through my wife owned by

1215
00:50:18,810 --> 00:50:16,480
the way so we're told and then

1216
00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:18,820
eventually it turned out that they were

1217
00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:21,820
stuck in the lift now this is the

1218
00:50:26,070 --> 00:50:24,340
personal lives weren't working something

1219
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:26,080
like that no there was stuck in a lift

1220
00:50:30,330 --> 00:50:27,970
so it's definitely a year now this is

1221
00:50:32,850 --> 00:50:30,340
that what makes it a little bit more we

1222
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:32,860
weirdo turns it into a bit we're a bit

1223
00:50:39,030 --> 00:50:35,170
of a weird story is that according to

1224
00:50:41,730 --> 00:50:39,040
that our challenger his collaborator and

1225
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:41,740
her lawyer do not possess mobile phones

1226
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:44,790
so this is this is a

1227
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:47,220
there is a lawyer in New York who does

1228
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:50,150
not have a mobile phone that is already

1229
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:51,900
making you know that's already

1230
00:50:56,990 --> 00:50:54,810
suspicious but so the whole the whole

1231
00:50:59,930 --> 00:50:57,000
thing we actually have some suspicions

1232
00:51:03,110 --> 00:50:59,940
about the existence of the New York side

1233
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:03,120
of the whole story I believe I wasn't

1234
00:51:07,100 --> 00:51:04,260
present for this but i believe that

1235
00:51:09,830 --> 00:51:07,110
whenever the Challenger contacted the

1236
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:09,840
New York side he used a mobile phone but

1237
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:11,400
he didn't do it in the room so you

1238
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:13,410
couldn't hear him that's right speaking

1239
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,910
to the people well we don't know whether

1240
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:17,220
he spoke to them well I actually asked

1241
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:18,690
him at a certain point because when the

1242
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:20,310
wood didn't show up asked him do they

1243
00:51:25,190 --> 00:51:23,640
know the address and he said yes okay

1244
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:25,200
tell me what address you told him he

1245
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:27,660
told me was the right address I said how

1246
00:51:32,930 --> 00:51:29,690
did you convey the address to them

1247
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,940
telepathic well no you know if used to

1248
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:35,520
answer I said look this is not about the

1249
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:37,650
test now I want to know that we're not

1250
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:39,540
just sitting here wasting our time did

1251
00:51:43,130 --> 00:51:41,250
you convey the message is the message to

1252
00:51:45,350 --> 00:51:43,140
them the rest of them in some kind of

1253
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:45,360
way that we know not you're just you but

1254
00:51:49,250 --> 00:51:46,890
we can know that he's actually

1255
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:49,260
legitimately been received by them and

1256
00:51:54,020 --> 00:51:51,810
he refused to answer that question so

1257
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:54,030
that probably lens Alou is interesting

1258
00:51:58,040 --> 00:51:56,040
our we were in that office yeah putting

1259
00:52:01,040 --> 00:51:58,050
out thumbs right yes yes nice office

1260
00:52:02,750 --> 00:52:01,050
nice office good hbu so what's the

1261
00:52:04,730 --> 00:52:02,760
protocol mouthing because I understand

1262
00:52:06,470 --> 00:52:04,740
that with the jf if they test someone

1263
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:06,480
pulling into a preliminary tests and

1264
00:52:10,070 --> 00:52:08,130
they fail and I don't know whether you

1265
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:10,080
can call this failing or not then that

1266
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,910
person has to wait 12 months to try

1267
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:14,160
again do we have a protocol similar to

1268
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:16,050
that I don't think we have enough fun no

1269
00:52:21,590 --> 00:52:17,850
we don't have a formal one but he sent a

1270
00:52:24,170 --> 00:52:21,600
letter explaining it and basically asked

1271
00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:24,180
you to be just again but his explanation

1272
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:27,870
was it was a bit short of an eight-pitch

1273
00:52:31,250 --> 00:52:29,550
a bit short of an apology i would say

1274
00:52:33,830 --> 00:52:31,260
i'm sure like a bit short in the sense

1275
00:52:35,780 --> 00:52:33,840
that it was not an apology no it was

1276
00:52:37,790 --> 00:52:35,790
like there's not a word of regret there

1277
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:37,800
or sorry about wasting your time and all

1278
00:52:42,140 --> 00:52:40,290
that he was not only out time that how

1279
00:52:44,450 --> 00:52:42,150
many uses that either this in sydney in

1280
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:44,460
two in New York yes yeah yeah and we

1281
00:52:48,260 --> 00:52:46,650
spend quite a bit of not a huge amount

1282
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:48,270
of money but you know quite a bit of

1283
00:52:51,950 --> 00:52:50,520
money on edge and time and and the all

1284
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:51,960
the efforts around putting things

1285
00:52:58,180 --> 00:52:56,130
together it was just really a bit a bit

1286
00:52:59,920 --> 00:52:58,190
of of the mark

1287
00:53:01,420 --> 00:52:59,930
his letter so I I don't think will test

1288
00:53:03,010 --> 00:53:01,430
him again but we'll see we'll see but

1289
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:03,020
he's also spent a fair bit of money

1290
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:04,700
hasn't he because he's a hired lawyers

1291
00:53:08,290 --> 00:53:06,290
in the process of setting up the

1292
00:53:10,690 --> 00:53:08,300
protocol and which is why we tend to

1293
00:53:13,180 --> 00:53:10,700
believe that he genuinely believes his

1294
00:53:14,590 --> 00:53:13,190
lawyer said he does have a mobile a very

1295
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:14,600
York that doesn't have a very

1296
00:53:19,090 --> 00:53:17,630
interesting story indeed what was

1297
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:19,100
interesting being in Sydney and if you

1298
00:53:23,380 --> 00:53:21,470
want to read about the point of view of

1299
00:53:27,070 --> 00:53:23,390
our friends in New York you can go to

1300
00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:27,080
Gotham skeptic dot org and read their

1301
00:53:31,570 --> 00:53:29,630
blog from those poor people freezing on

1302
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:31,580
the corner in New York now we're going

1303
00:53:36,850 --> 00:53:34,160
to buy the magic of the Internet's be

1304
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:36,860
transported to maynard's corner that may

1305
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:38,450
not podcasting corner and just on a

1306
00:53:41,950 --> 00:53:40,400
conspiracy sidekick there what about

1307
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:41,960
that journalists from the village voice

1308
00:53:47,350 --> 00:53:44,330
that was kidnapped by vampires and maybe

1309
00:53:49,420 --> 00:53:47,360
dead oh oh oh shoot his story on that on

1310
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:49,430
vampires in the 90s and disappeared and

1311
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:51,410
some people say she was bumped off by

1312
00:53:55,180 --> 00:53:53,330
the Russian mob some people say she

1313
00:53:58,690 --> 00:53:55,190
committed suicide but I say vampires

1314
00:54:00,550 --> 00:53:58,700
took and ate Harold well I don't know i

1315
00:54:04,420 --> 00:54:00,560
mean really do I really have to give a

1316
00:54:06,820 --> 00:54:04,430
reason tell me let's look at this

1317
00:54:09,070 --> 00:54:06,830
logically we got the shin she'd pissed

1318
00:54:10,750 --> 00:54:09,080
off the Russian mob some people think

1319
00:54:12,550 --> 00:54:10,760
she was a bit depressed but she

1320
00:54:14,770 --> 00:54:12,560
disappeared and she just recently done a

1321
00:54:15,850 --> 00:54:14,780
story on vampires so I feel kind of

1322
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:15,860
vampires but that the traditional

1323
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:19,010
vampires the button down there the New

1324
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:21,230
York guys that want to look as good as

1325
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:24,530
angel but aren't ah vampires yeah those

1326
00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:26,570
ones here and that was a scary scene

1327
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:28,340
that's like a story someone told me the

1328
00:54:34,210 --> 00:54:32,110
other day may nod about how this guy

1329
00:54:36,730 --> 00:54:34,220
meditated himself to sleep on a plane

1330
00:54:38,350 --> 00:54:36,740
and that was amazing and I said yeah

1331
00:54:40,630 --> 00:54:38,360
that's amazing because every night I

1332
00:54:44,860 --> 00:54:40,640
meditate myself asleep I shut my eyes

1333
00:54:47,290 --> 00:54:44,870
but I fall asleep but I take a six pack

1334
00:54:49,330 --> 00:54:47,300
some nights to get myself after 6 i'm

1335
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:49,340
just i was looking through in let's see

1336
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:53,330
ya i medicate myself to sleep and anyway

1337
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,530
but back to what they were doing in

1338
00:54:58,210 --> 00:54:56,240
bernards podcasting corner here and a

1339
00:55:00,610 --> 00:54:58,220
big cheerio and a shout out to the it's

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00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:00,620
the eighth birthday radio nowhere in the

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00:55:04,510 --> 00:55:02,570
UK they've been doing independent music

1342
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:04,520
and I've got to say a lot of hours but

1343
00:55:08,050 --> 00:55:06,890
if you listen to podcast check out all

1344
00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:08,060
their podcast I've got about eight

1345
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,080
different ones and one of them is filmic

1346
00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:12,960
which i think is great for its all film

1347
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:15,420
music and film theme music from all over

1348
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:17,010
the place and the christopher LED show

1349
00:55:21,830 --> 00:55:19,020
he's the most polite man in the universe

1350
00:55:25,550 --> 00:55:21,840
when he says ass it sounds almost like a

1351
00:55:28,670 --> 00:55:25,560
nice word also big shout out to a fellow

1352
00:55:31,250 --> 00:55:28,680
skeptical and atheist friends in the US

1353
00:55:33,890 --> 00:55:31,260
the girls that look at his butt now that

1354
00:55:36,500 --> 00:55:33,900
is the all about William Shatner William

1355
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:36,510
shout that and sex toys and girls I want

1356
00:55:39,170 --> 00:55:37,770
you to do something on the fleshlight

1357
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:39,180
okay that's what i want you to assign

1358
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:41,010
the question about william chapman well

1359
00:55:45,530 --> 00:55:43,530
i think we all do i think i was reading

1360
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:45,540
a certain magazine i have that claimed

1361
00:55:49,700 --> 00:55:47,130
that william shatner sold one of his

1362
00:55:51,860 --> 00:55:49,710
kidney stones to an online casino for 35

1363
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:51,870
thousand dollars can you get your

1364
00:55:55,460 --> 00:55:53,310
William Shatner friends to confirm more

1365
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,470
than either okay look at these but girls

1366
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:57,420
get in contact with us because we'd like

1367
00:56:01,700 --> 00:56:00,180
to know it's as they say he's a shill so

1368
00:56:02,930 --> 00:56:01,710
it doesn't surprise me that's the kind

1369
00:56:04,220 --> 00:56:02,940
of thing he would do but he might have

1370
00:56:06,050 --> 00:56:04,230
done it for charity there's a new series

1371
00:56:08,060 --> 00:56:06,060
coming on SBS with William Shatner about

1372
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:08,070
the unknown and strange actually people

1373
00:56:13,340 --> 00:56:11,430
don't ya and also I've been doing some

1374
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:13,350
work with you stream and they'll be the

1375
00:56:17,180 --> 00:56:15,210
mad club now has an official ustream

1376
00:56:19,610 --> 00:56:17,190
site so on set that night between ten

1377
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:19,620
and ten thirty the mad struggle mad club

1378
00:56:24,110 --> 00:56:22,170
will be live on ustream you can find out

1379
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:24,120
about that at the mad club facebook page

1380
00:56:29,810 --> 00:56:27,090
and one last thing our good friends

1381
00:56:31,820 --> 00:56:29,820
David Horan Steven and his friends Casey

1382
00:56:33,410 --> 00:56:31,830
the wonder dog yes I went did a great

1383
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:33,420
story on them and it's up on the ABC

1384
00:56:37,790 --> 00:56:35,400
website it's called Casey the wonder dog

1385
00:56:40,220 --> 00:56:37,800
so look up Casey the wonder dog Maynard

1386
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:40,230
on the ABC website or you could go to

1387
00:56:45,620 --> 00:56:43,890
the ABC net do you / Newcastle website k

1388
00:56:47,810 --> 00:56:45,630
see the wonder dog and you will hear see

1389
00:56:49,130 --> 00:56:47,820
photos of Casey actually aggressively

1390
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:49,140
playing with a ball and as a guide dog

1391
00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:51,390
you don't normally see their teeth beds

1392
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,730
that's kind of cool and you'll also and

1393
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:55,680
look I tried to still looking a bit it

1394
00:57:00,260 --> 00:56:57,690
was vision impaired so I kept trying to

1395
00:57:03,590 --> 00:57:00,270
steal vodka out of the freezer and the

1396
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:06,260
I gotta say done kk seems pretty cool

1397
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:08,310
she knows he's on the job there this is

1398
00:57:14,180 --> 00:57:10,770
you rescue any children from wells no

1399
00:57:19,690 --> 00:57:14,190
but she did go rule what's up Casey only

1400
00:57:22,070 --> 00:57:19,700
half a bottle Maenads into the absolute

1401
00:57:24,530 --> 00:57:22,080
so heavily that that's Casey the wonder

1402
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:24,540
dog at ABC net that are you / newcastle

1403
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:26,310
have a look and have a listen and if you

1404
00:57:30,290 --> 00:57:28,410
like the story tell us if you don't like

1405
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:30,300
the story as they say in australia up

1406
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:34,770
your bum why don't want it interesting I

1407
00:57:45,350 --> 00:57:42,000
don't know what to say it starts as a

1408
00:57:47,330 --> 00:57:45,360
bit it's dr. H II some boys sound like

1409
00:57:49,070 --> 00:57:47,340
the audience full frequency I wanna know

1410
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:49,080
right she's having too much fun of that

1411
00:57:52,550 --> 00:57:51,000
app folks while will let Rach you have a

1412
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,560
lot of fun with that out with a final

1413
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:54,000
word from me that if you're looking for

1414
00:58:01,870 --> 00:57:55,890
that Christmas present for that special

1415
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:04,520
that's a musical that maybe get this is

1416
00:58:10,420 --> 00:58:05,970
this is one of these great rap tracks i

1417
00:58:19,089 --> 00:58:13,990
Thank You Metta skeptic and bros dot-com

1418
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:19,099
folks these three this tank is getting

1419
00:58:23,380 --> 00:58:21,050
out of control skeptic bros come for

1420
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:23,390
your placebo band only two dollars get

1421
00:58:28,210 --> 00:58:25,010
them while they last I'd like to thank

1422
00:58:29,770 --> 00:58:28,220
everybody here burping dr. AG I just

1423
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:29,780
don't mean to press that button thank

1424
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:33,770
you thank you change thank you thank you

1425
00:58:36,849 --> 00:58:35,450
may not I didn't mean to press that

1426
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,859
button I'm disappointed results that's

1427
00:58:42,670 --> 00:58:39,200
Maynard calm that are you tune in and

1428
00:58:45,790 --> 00:58:42,680
drop out i did hero of the week Jason to

1429
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:45,800
his Richard www my colleagues radiance

1430
00:58:51,220 --> 00:58:48,950
calm handle rants again thank you to and

1431
00:59:25,420 --> 00:58:51,230
until next time cheers from the think

1432
00:59:30,620 --> 00:59:27,710
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1433
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:30,630
zone the next few episodes should be

1434
00:59:34,309 --> 00:59:32,040
interesting I think we've got some Tam

1435
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:34,319
guests coming up pretty soon I might

1436
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,690
grab an interview or two not sure what

1437
00:59:40,220 --> 00:59:38,760
the episode is going to be like when tam

1438
00:59:42,349 --> 00:59:40,230
itself is on I'll be running around

1439
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:42,359
quite crazily doing lots of things but

1440
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,859
i'll try to grab some interesting things

1441
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,780
for you don't forget to keep wearing

1442
00:59:50,299 --> 00:59:47,760
those placebo bands three or four on

1443
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:50,309
your wrist gets comments and then you

1444
00:59:56,180 --> 00:59:52,530
can explain to people why you're wearing

1445
00:59:58,579 --> 00:59:56,190
them skeptic bros calm until next week's

1446
01:00:03,849 --> 00:59:58,589
episode this is Richard Saunders signing

1447
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:06,260
you've been listening to the skeptic

1448
01:00:14,059 --> 01:00:10,260
zone visit our website at wwc a petting

1449
01:00:17,270 --> 01:00:14,069
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